Personal Vegetable Gardens in the Future ?
 

severe restrictions by the gov't ?

outlawed and go underground ?

other ?



can anyone see a future where you must register to buy seeds for your back yard ?

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the government is not going to stop you from growing tomatoes and herbs in the garden. are they going to stop you from taking a dump too?

take the tinfoil hat off.

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They already have done exactly that to people during FDR's reign. And they used the Interstate Commerce Clause to justify it.
Edit: and I'm referring to the "growing" part of your comment, not the "dumping" part.

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any info / link would be appreciated. thanks

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They used to also come in your home and take inventory of your thingsand tax you based on it.

They have already taken so many heirloom seeds off the market. I could totally see them seizing produce, taxing output, or even outlawing gardens for "public health reasons".

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Most people will be in cities so it will be easy to implement city to city bans on what plants you can grow etc. Some have ALREADY done that!

The only farming that will be done is food that will be sold. Farming so you can eat the food, sorry that's outlawed!

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No problem, had to dig it up. I read it in the book, "The politically incorrect guide to the constitution." Good book.

The same argument could be used here: if you grow your own vegetables your effect on commerce may be trivial, but combined with everybody else it is not trivial. Which means they can regulate it. They put in price controls during the depression era and prevented people from growing food.

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it's funny, there are a lot of sane and logical people on here. and then there are some brimming morons.

BTW, what cities have banned which gardn vegetables???? And what was their motive?

LETS GET REAL PEOPLE

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you don't think it's possible ?

you sell or trade one veggie/herb/fruit
and then the gov't labels you a " business " and taxed according to THEIR ESTIMATES of your output ?


10 years ago, would you have believed a " fart tax for cattle "

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i guess i will believe it if i see it. not that i will comply with it becasue it is absurd, but if some government person came on my property and told me i cannot grow my own food, they would become fertilizer

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You saw my comment above yes? Citing such a court case?

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Ban on gardens = daily assassinations of politicians

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"when tomatoes are outlawed, only outlaws will have tomatoes" hemp and certain mushrooms have been declared illegal by our fearless leaders. may have to register hoes and cultivaters, pay a special transfer tax on rototillers, the "assault weapons" of garden tools. onward to our glorious future, comrades!

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will they outlaw trees ?

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I doubt that they will ban backyard vegetable gardening.

That said, they could tax it. Or ban the use of city or well water to be used in irrigating it. They could ban the use of manure or compost on it to prevent possible diseases. They could also run public service announcements asking people to turn in their neighbors who waste water on gardens or use illegal compost. (They already do that in some areas during droughts for people who water lawns.)

Mostly, they will do what all government agents seem to do. Trespass onto private property and steal what they can pick.

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They will say you cannot sell or trade your vegetables with others unless you spend thousands of dollars for safety certification from soil testing to nutrition killing sterilizations.

During bad droughts, they will say that our city water is more important to piss and shit in that grow food with.

It is all for our own safety eh? :wink:

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i guess i must be a brimming moron because i take offense

and for the record this thread was about personal vegie gardens
and i have seen in my life my grandma and my mother sneaking water
to their vegie gardens to keep them alive because of water restrictions.

i have seen whole suburbs agriculturaly quaranteened due to bugs

and i know in most cities it is against code to plant fruit trees next to
footpaths because of mess (dropping fruit) and bugs (fruitfly etc)
so it is not much of a stretch to imagine that the gov may institute
restrictions on personal gardens.

hell ive seen noodles/citi folk complain about fruit trees because they attracted
honey bees.

and we are not even getting into restrictions on sale or gift on produce which is already
heavily restricted.

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I think a mandated personal vegetable garden law is more likely than a ban, so the government can use the entire existing civilian food supply for their uses, but who knows this isn't something I worry about. Call me a Sheep or whatever but I living a paranoid life seems like a pretty miserable one.

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where was this?

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Gulfport FL refuses to allow backyard chickens.
http://www.tampabay.com/news/localgo...icle943388.ece

Send an email to the mayor and the council members.

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The opposite could be true. The government may encourage garden growing similar who how they used to push for Victory Gardens.

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That could be bad news Serj:

Oct.08: Victory Gardens Exposed
CityFarmer, 1980: The Garden Warriors of 1942

15 bean soup...
 

I think I'll plant half a bag and see what comes up. A lady I work with says her late husband would buy a 1lb bag of black beans for planting, cheaper than buying seed packets.:confused_ma:I left out the word "mix" in the title.

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I remember those days. The assessor would come, and perch on the couch with a sheaf of paper forms and ask my Dad questions. I was the youngest child at the time. I remember piping up and volunteering information about items that my Dad didn't volunteer for taxing purposes. If I recall correctly, it was Daddy's new wristwatch that he didn't declare, even though he was wearing it at the time of the assessor's interview. I remember getting in trouble for "volunteering" what hadn't been specifically asked about declaring. That was my Dad's stance...don't volunteer and don't lie by commission, either. From that point forward, I was always sent out of the room when the assessor came for their annual personal property inventory and assessment.

This was in Kansas and it was in the early 50s.

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WOW! Is this one of those 'unenforced laws' in some states? 'Used previously in a business'? Is this paid with property taxes?

http://www.oregon.gov/DOR/PTD/IC_303_661.shtml

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I don't think it would be an outright ban, but I think they will try to make it even more difficult than it is now with postage-stamp sized lots and HOA covenants. I can see some severe restrictions on chemical fertilizers, for instance, and laws that make it difficult (=expensive) to be in the nursery business. I agree most with Melody's analysis:

I can see that happening too.

I am very focused on chicken restrictions lately. It's not just subdivisions that restrict this, but also cities. Enlightened city laws on keeping fowl are the exception, not the rule. Many have outright bans on keeping any number of poultry, and many more allow "up to three hens" (not even close to enough!). I have 3/4 of an acre, but am still allowed only 18 hens and no roosters. I had to re-home a beloved little roo just this week when he started crowing. Part of the reason why I am putting my place on the market and we are now looking for acreage in a more remote location.

Last weekend there was a good article in the USA Today about urban chickens. Good press, but some of the "anti-chicken" comments were disturbing and seemed to come from one or two obvious industry shills. Lately I've often wondered whether the whole avian flu scare is being used to justify an upcoming ban on backyard poultry. Gotta support that poultry industry.

But I don't think they'll ban gardens outright. But they will probably try to make it difficult and expensive to source your food from outside the matrix.

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Okay lets see you plow up your lawn and plant corn. Tell me how great that works out for you. Do you honestly think you'll be able to plant a vegetable garden freely living in the suburbs without some HOA asshole or some dumbass neighbor complaining?

I am not saying that you can't grow a garden in the suburbs but I would say we are starting to see stricter HOA regulations that are going to put a stop to it sooner or later.

and I said they outlawed certain plants. They could easily extend those powers to include edible vegetables or just make it incredibly difficult and pricey to do so. Maybe you'll need an urban farmer permit, maybe you can only use so much water etc etc.

At the moment, no one has really challenged those restrictions so it never makes news. Also for the most part, urban farms don't exist.

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First poll I have voted on in GIM, C-A. This is plus a gratitude I have for your excellent posts.

Food crops is no doubt where the next revival will be, or we will die...slowly. Some will survive, and carry on the heritage.

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well, i did live in in HOA in SUN VALLEY in boynton beach florida. and yes they are pricks, and did complain about my garden. and my kid coloring with chalk on the driveway, and my hammock, and my fence and my garbage cans.

unless you are a complete robot puppet that needs structure and rules like in boot camp, STAY THE HELL AWAY FROM HOA'S.


And, just becasue a HOA bans something, does not mean that the government will make it illegal. are we saying that the government is going to pass a law that kids cant draw with chalk on the driveway becsaue its a rule in some HOA'S?

this is such a weak, null and void argument you propose.

Look, i think I, and many people on here are very reasonable and open to what is coming in the future. but I also think some on here take it a little far. And if the government makes something illegal to grow, it will just be planted more anyway. look at marijuana. barely smoked until made illegal.

I do not think that the govenment in going to make it illegal, ever, to grow veggies, fruits and herbs in the backyard.

if they don't let anyone grow anything, how are they going to eat? the government is going to need more food in the future, not less. I believe 50% of our food comes from asia. I don't think asia will be sending anything here in 5 years, let alone something as valuable as food. the dollar will be done, and we will have nothing of value to exchange with them. :565:

I would tend to think that food production would become mandatory long before it would be made illegal. :565:

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didn't obama just say something about 600,000 more gov't jobs
600,000 doing what ?
enforcing regulations/laws already on the books ?
enforcing new laws/regulations we don't even know about yet ?

the USA PATRIOT Act was signed into law Oct 26, 2001
roughly 45 days after 9/11
seems like this pre-written patriot act came out of nowhere
can you honestly say there's no pre-written gardening restrictions laws waiting in the wings ?

i guess it all depends how much you want to believe if the gov't wants to micro-manage the amerian people



"Control oil and you control nations; control food and you control people..." Henry Kissinger

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QWAK,specsaregood,Florida DID try to pass a TAX on TOILET PAPER recently to pay for waist treatment plants:yes: it was a huge JOKE lots of stuff on the proposed TAX if you GOOGLE it!:yes::shine:

http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2005/03/1...-tax-proposed/

Similar taxes have been proposed and in some places actualy implimented on FARTING -- REALY:yes: -- but only for farm animals -- so far!:confused_ma:

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0620-06.htm

Any way they can IMAGIN:thinkey: to TAX -- they WILL or HAVE!:yes::shine:

the DUCK

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QWAK,Back in the early 50s (I was born in 49) my folks moved out of the city (Chicago) to the near by suburbs (Oak Park). Money was TIGHT --REAL TIGHT,Mom had my brother dig up the small back yard 20' x 25' (about) and she planted a garden mostly tomatoes but a fiew other things too. One of my chores was pulling weeds out of the garden!:yes:

We just about lived on tomatoes and grilled cheese sanwhiches:yes: -- to this day I can't stand tomato soup or grilled cheese sanwhiches :10_1_19::yes: It was HARD but ALL the bills got payed! I almost died at 6 mo. old and the Doctor that SAVED me got sent a little each weak from my Dads pay check -- some times as little as FIFTY CENTS!:yes: When the folks bought the house Mom put the Doctors name down as a reference and the BANK actualy called the DOCTOR! He told them the LOAN was as good as GOLD and THAT made the diference so my folks got the LOAN!:yes::shine:

the DUCK

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Millons of homecrafters face bankruptcy after Jan 20 from new law

The new Consumer Product Safety Improvement Act � passed hastily to bar poisonous foreign products � also will require millions of American homecrafters to have each of their products tested at huge cost, ranging from $500 to $4000 per product � including their old stock which was manufactured before this law had even been thought up.

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/264507

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Funny not one person has mentioned Monsanto and the other corporations that are obtain seed strand patents and blocking small farmers from using their own seed because of cross pollination with the GMO seed. This is where the justification will come in....this is where the taxes, fines penalties and arrests will come into play. Its is already happening with farmers....what in the hell makes you think it will stop on your property line??? :confused_m:

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if it is their seed, supposedly, and it ends up on your land - can you not sue them for littering on your property? ? ?? ? :565:

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I hope that was sarcasm.......or maybe you are unfamiliar with the practices of GMO seed producers.....cause it aint worrying about being sued by farmers for cross-pollination.

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In case that wasn't sarcasm... the opposite is actually true. They can (and have) sue you for stealing their intellecual property (litter).

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yah I'm hip to what is going on and all but this is goofy.

It would never happen.

but then again...they already tell us what plants are legal and which ones aren't... hmmmmmm? :36_3_12:

maybe they will ban real food and we can REALLY indulge in the matrix.

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HR 875 Would Essentially Outlaw Family Farms In The United States

I get a lot of e-mails each day and one today (hi Cheryl!) pointed my attention to HR 875, a bill introduced into the 111th Congress for consideration. SO, I went and did something that members of Congress rarely do and actually went and read the bill, or more accurately, at least glanced through it which is still more than they ever do. It was introduced by Rep. Rosa DeLauro (D-CT 3rd) and has around 36 co-sponsors including Congressman Andre Carson (D-IN 7th) as of this writing. It immediately strikes me as being terribly bad legislation.

Under a heading described as protecting the public health and ensuring the safety of food it creates a "Food Safety Administration" within Health and Human Services. Oddly, not just adding regulations to the FDA (Food and Drug Administration) which is also under HHS. And don't we have the USDA as well? The bill applies to all manner of "Food Establishments" and "Food Production Facilities" (note the following excerpt).


(14) FOOD PRODUCTION FACILITY- The term �food production facility� means any farm, ranch, orchard, vineyard, aquaculture facility, or confined animal-feeding operation.


The bill would appear to even cover fishing boats and your downtown hot dog street vendors. In fact, the bill probably would also apply to your family garden since no exemption is apparent.

What it essentially does is place a tremendous regulatory burden on all of these organizations and individuals by requiring them to have "food safety plans", consider all relevant hazards.

more . . .

http://shepardpolitics.blogspot.com/...aw-family.html


" food safety plans "

sounds similar to CPSIA for homecrafters

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Did you read any of the proposed bill?

The author of the blog is being unnecessarily alarmist in regards to personal gardens, IMO. I am still reading the bill, though and I will write the Rep from GA for a clarification when I am done.

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Good for you Magpie. :bear_thumb:

Just a couple years ago in South Fl. the state ripped out thousands of healthy established citrus trees from peoples yards... because of the "possibility" of a spread of citrus canker.

I was shopping for a house once and asked the real estate guy why all the big old houses had such tiny closets. I expected the answer was that people had fewer clothes or something, but he said it was because homes were taxed based on closet size.

There are thousands of tried and true tactics to get, maintain or increase government and/or corporate control. Even now at this very minute, young people are being taught ecology, horticulture, environmental biology and a whole slew of other specialties. What are they gonna do when they graduate? Why, go to work for Government or big Corporations, that's what. Who else has the money to pay them what they believe they're worth?